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Bah, when are these people going to realise that Free Trade isn't the problem?

We don't have Free Trade, we have massivly protected and subsidised trade due to the way we're propping up farming across europe where it really is not economically viable. If we stopped subsidising products we exported outside of the EU we'd give the developed world a break and save on our EU grants each year.

Hell, if we stopped the subsidies totally then the poor countries could export to us. Value for money and helping the developing world? It's almost like a good idea!!

Idiots.

Edit: As for Fair Trade, could anything smack more of shorttermism? Are we supposed to just keep on with the handouts forever? Hows about a plan to provide support through the Fair Trade subsidies to help producers move to a product there is a sustainable demand for? Don't get me wrong, it's a great way of helping people but you're back to the whole Fish/Net analogy. A continual supply of fish is not the solution we should be aiming for.
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we have to go to Islington imminently so I'll have to make this a quick one, mate.

Economics is pretty bad at factoring in other costs but governments can be even worse, and more prone to cronyism without a doubt. I don't think any of us want a centrally planned command economy doing that. Look at how well that worked for the environment in the former USSR. Look at Lake Baikal.

whoops gotta go!

No indeed but unless the structure is in place to make the economics consider these factors then we'll just carry on regardless. I don't see who, other than the government, is in a position to make such factors count. The consumer, the media perhaps, but then it's about making people sufficiently aware of the problems that it becomes a market changing shift in their purchasing.

What next, ethical certification of companies a la ISO9000? :)